The Louis Pasteur of Junkiedom ([info]calamityjon) wrote,
@ 2008-06-11 07:51:00
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Okay, the last time around I gave you the Sun God Superman, in an heroic suit of armor and flowing red cloak meant to be worn for his transformative adventures in the Fourth World. Now, the flip side of the coin ...



Conveniently enough, the Superman mythos have arguably acquired in their seventy years both an enlightened supernatural realm (The Fourth World) and a benighted afterlife (The Phantom Zone). This is handy for the journey component of the heroic myth, wherein during his essential transformative quest the hero not only ascends into heaven but also descends into hell. Were I writing a cohesive heroic edda for the Man of Steel (and who's to say I'm not ... IN MY MIND), before the inevitable portion of the myth where his physical self would fully die, he would move through a number of other realms wherein he'd live seemingly complete lives, the Fourth World and Phantom Zone being among them.

So, for story purposes - say, if this were to appear as a costume in an issue of Action Comics - consider this to be Superman's Phantom Zone armor; the vents and devices constituting the armor along his arms and shoulder (and back) are Kryptonian devices engineered to allow him to retain some semblance of his powers, as well as to remain 'real' enough to avoid the disseminating effects of the Phantom Zone upon the emotional and psychic fiber of the human beings imprisoned there. As a sub-realm of reality, far heavier and denser than our reality, the colors of his costume are muted and simplified, and the light emanating from his harness is slowed down enough to effectively behave like a gas (thus his "halo" effect).

Now, design-wise: As this is the opposite number of his Sun God costume, I deliberately tried to make something which was effectively its opposite, symbolically. For instance, where the other costume broke the lines of the body, this one is skin-tight and clinging - I wanted to give the effect of his being naked, as a corpse, with the flowing white cape (pressed down by heavier gravity, unlike the wide flowing red dawn-like cloak) behaving like a shroud, wrapping around his limbs and preparing him for the journey into the underworld. As the other costume relied on natural materials, I wanted this one to be unearthly, strange materials which seemed otherworldly.

As this is this night aspect of the Apollyonic figure, I gave him storm motifs in the costume - lightning bolts across the trunk, the cloud-like light emanations from his harness, the halo like the moon glowing a white patch on clouds heavy with rain. There's also a skull motif in the headpiece, and both the harness and the insignia are meant to evoke bones, like a strange alien skeleton in the night. The harness specifically, even more than attempting to evoke a death aspect, is meant to look like chains - this would be the punishment and retribution period of his transfigurative journey, the part that always ends in necessary tragedy.

The one design element which gave me the most pause was the insignia - whether to stylize an "S" to put in the diamond or to remove it altogether in favor of a new motif. Part of the problem - as I went on and on the fuck about before without any hope of stopping - is that the shield is one of THE symbols by which we recognize Superman. Since I'd removed the red-and-blue motif, I was left only with the cape and shield to make him identifiable. Still, the whole metaphor of death in the heroic monomyth is to represent the shedding of the ego, the hero's willing submission to forces greater than himself and the 'death' of selfish identity. To that end, ziiip, away goes the "S" itself in favor of a diamond-shield penetrated by lightning (which is itself symbolic of divine power, the submission which comes upon the hero in this stage of the journey, blah blah, listen to me go on)

Okay, one more to do - I promise, the next one is actually free of all of this comparative mythologies stuff. It's just a fun costume for a future Superman, I swears it!


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[info]archaica
2008-06-11 03:16 pm UTC (link)
The "S-less" diamond can work anyway, as a sort of shedding of identity for that underworld journey. So I agree with what you said (and I skimmed over blithely in my hasty reading) - well-played!

I really like it. It feels Mignolaesque to me.

Edited at 2008-06-11 03:17 pm UTC

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[info]calamityjon
2008-06-11 03:19 pm UTC (link)
Sorry, I'm not reading this right - are you just confirming what I said above works, or are you adding something about the decision to remove the "S"? I think I'm not reading your comment right, because it sounds like a reiteration of the next-to-last paragraph to me ...

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[info]calamityjon
2008-06-11 03:19 pm UTC (link)
AH I SEE NOW THANKS!!

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[info]archaica
2008-06-11 03:24 pm UTC (link)
Yeah sorry. Inattentive me = bad reading.

Although I think it's a good sign that we both hit the same place from the same basic remit ("Underworld Superman") - the Lethean connotations of the lack of S, and the lack of identity inherent in the empty shield, is just too delicious. I'm lovin' it.

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[info]brandawg
2008-06-11 03:30 pm UTC (link)
Jon, I want to go back to grad school just so I can keep up with you on things like this. That is to say, I get it (and love it), and man, do I wish I could write in a similar manner about Superman.

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[info]calamityjon
2008-06-11 05:46 pm UTC (link)
You want to go back to grad school just to learn more useless Humanities shit, AW COME ON BRANDAWG!

Can you go to grad school for skateboarding off of a fireworks factory? Because then you'd have an MA in AWESOME.

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[info]brandawg
2008-06-11 05:58 pm UTC (link)
The funny thing about getting an MA is that it doesn't matter what field I choose to study; my pay goes up exactly the same amount.

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[info]memento_mori
2008-06-11 03:56 pm UTC (link)
Yeah yeah whatever. It's BAD ASS.

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[info]mr_cow
2008-06-11 04:40 pm UTC (link)
holy crap. that's awesome.

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[info]counterfeitfake
2008-06-11 04:45 pm UTC (link)
This one is even more incredible than the first one. I especially like how much thought you've given to all these metaphors. Or at the very least I especially like how much bs you've come up with. :)

Just wondering about your choice to incorporate armor into both costumes. You touched on it in your explanations, but it seems like a very big and very deliberate departure from the original Man of Steel.

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[info]calamityjon
2008-06-11 05:43 pm UTC (link)
MAN! Speaking of filling this in with BS, I have to admit before I even start thinking about it that I really do not know why I gave these redesigns armor (sort of), but now I'm going to have to make something up.

I know that this costume had the armor because the other costume had the armor, and I wanted them to synch up a little bit (like how neither has design elements below the waist, and big shoulder pads...)

And I think the main reason I gave the first one armor was because it was a way to recall the archaic tradition of the monomyth - I was thinking 'Hercules' at first when I was designing the costume, and the golden arms had a kind of mythologically Greek feel to me.

OKAY! That's you and Ben down, now someone else ask me really hard questions I don't have answers to!

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[info]counterfeitfake
2008-06-11 09:19 pm UTC (link)
I think the amount of thought on everything else was awesome, I gladly accept "it looks cool" on the shiny metal bits.

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[info]calamityjon
2008-06-11 05:44 pm UTC (link)
Oh, also, my third costume has no armor at all, about which I now feel kind of relieved.

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[info]counterfeitfake
2008-06-11 09:18 pm UTC (link)
so how does HE stop bullets??

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[info]jodycody
2008-06-11 05:54 pm UTC (link)
Man...your Supes designs are so tight and well thought out!

I've got NOTHING.

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[info]calamityjon
2008-06-11 05:57 pm UTC (link)
HURRY UP THEN, I wanna see you tackle the dude!

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[info]skonen_blades
2008-06-11 05:57 pm UTC (link)
Super cool. (no pun intended)

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[info]nedroidcomics
2008-06-11 06:00 pm UTC (link)
This is fantastic. It's amazing to me how you're able to put so much thought into these, so that every element is there for a specific reason, and yet it all works together so well.

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Jeeeeeeeez!
[info]thespus
2008-06-11 06:03 pm UTC (link)
&$#@! I would love to see a cartoon with this Superman. The way you explain the "slow" light and the heavy cape, that could be amazing in motion. And a story set in the Phantom Zone-as-Hades would be a writer's playground. Yet again, you knock it out of the park. The thought that went into it absolutely shows through. Fucking fantastic coloring, too!

On mine I just gave him red converse.

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Re: Jeeeeeeeez!
[info]calamityjon
2008-06-11 06:35 pm UTC (link)
Also good! They represent running!

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Re: Jeeeeeeeez!
[info]counterfeitfake
2008-06-11 09:19 pm UTC (link)
LOL

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[info]b_zedan
2008-06-11 06:12 pm UTC (link)
You seriously are the only person who can make me give more than a moment's attention to Superman. It's like when you take a friend or a kid somewhere that you've been a million times and are really "yeah, whatever" about, but their enthusiasm for this new thing that is cool to them sort of infects you and you can see the merit in it.

Anyway, when I saw this image on my Flickr contact thing I was pretty wowed and your whole description there is damned amazing.

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[info]calamityjon
2008-06-11 06:39 pm UTC (link)
It is true, this thing, I am utterly obsessed with the Superman mythos, being as it's the only heroic monomyth I've been able to see played out during my lifetime; the guy didn't even HAVE a death myth until Alan Moore gave him one in 1987, and he's only now twenty years later finally undergoing the transformative journey, lord knows what I'm gonna miss in the future cause this guy'll be going on long after I'm dead.

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[info]deepspacerhyme
2008-06-11 06:34 pm UTC (link)
Jon, that is an amazing design, plus some of the most thoughtful witting i've ever read about designing a superhero. I think that they should all be thought of so carefully. Great job. Comics are mythology, and you can't really escape that.

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[info]ddean
2008-06-11 09:06 pm UTC (link)
That is pretty awesome, m'man. I'm kind of surprised they never wrote an Elseworld where Darkseid finds baby Kal... I think there's a lot of room for good conflict and character interaction. Although, it seems most Supes Elseworlds stories seem to be "What if he was raised by X."

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[info]calamityjon
2008-06-11 09:08 pm UTC (link)
I'll getcha before you're drowned in replies - they did, Superman:Dark Side. Pretty good, really, lots of beautiful Kieron Dwyer art, and there were even action figures...

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[info]ddean
2008-06-11 09:12 pm UTC (link)
Whoops, I guess I missed it.

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[info]revme
2008-06-11 11:14 pm UTC (link)
I like this one, because it looks like he's grabbin' his junk.

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[info]darkwaterfrey
2008-06-12 01:50 am UTC (link)
Excellent decisions all around.

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[info]oxboxer
2008-06-12 04:51 am UTC (link)
Your Superman redesigns are heartbreakingly awesome.

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[info]dryponder
2008-06-12 09:48 am UTC (link)
i have actual thoughts, but i'll save them for the review on P:R. for now, let's just go with, "great great great great great great great great."

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[info]eyepatchmcgee
2008-06-12 02:07 pm UTC (link)
This Design is amazing i would read a superman comic just because he was wearing this. Whats wild and very cool about the whole thing to me is, even though its like radically different from the normal superman costume, its still definitly him. The heavy white cape, arm pieces and white fog really really win my heart. The empty logo is awesome too. The way you posed him sort of evokes heaviness too, The apollo figure seemed to have no weight (strength yes but not weight, cause he is a god, he's above such things as gravity i suppose hehe) But here he is low, he has something holding him down, a great force, or perhaps it represents humility? He is also looking up, looking for answers? The fists are interesting they dont seem to be fists of defiance but rather of determination! Haha i just rambled all over your livejournal, sorry! but i really really love it

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[info]fiduch
2008-06-14 02:39 am UTC (link)
me likey. i love the attention to mythology that goes into these with you.

didn't supes live more or less a full life in the phantom zone in that "return to krypton" storyline a few years back?

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Dude!
[info]ericmesquivel
2008-06-21 09:30 am UTC (link)
This is the coolest thing I've ever seen in my life.

And I've seen the Green Hornet vs. Batman episode.

Twice.

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[info]mordicai
2008-07-08 03:58 am UTC (link)
WHAT. this rules.

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[info]gwalla
2008-07-10 06:23 pm UTC (link)
So, when are you pitching this Elseworlds project to DC?

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